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Отговори #105: 04 Април 2009

Един от форматите, в коите е предвидено да излезе Sounds of the Universe, е двоен винил. Тази седмица Mute са предоставили няколко снимки от подготовката на плочите.

I want to reach my hand into the dark
and feel what reaches back
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Отговори #106: 10 Април 2009

Eдин от сериозните потребители в HOME, който ползва ника Condemned публикува интересно мнение относно текстовете в Sounds of the Universe и връзките между тях и стари текстове. Реших, че, може би, ще е интересно да се препубликува това мнение, с което до голяма степен съм съгласен. Ето го и въпросния пост.  Усмивка

In Chains

Straight-up, this song conjures "The Sweetest Condition" , right down to the shared "shackled and bound" line. Whereas "Sweetest..." was all about intricate and clever word-play, "In Chains" is much more straightforward and simplistic (obvious "yearning/burning" rhymes), yet arguably much more powerful. As well, the fatalistic mood of "In Chains" suggests the 1998 b-side, "Surrender", with the attitude that Martin's devotion is out of his hands, uncontrollable ("Shackled like an animal / Chained to my desires"). So, while readily comparable to elements of his past work, I think "In Chains" works well on its own merits... though Mart's taken this theme about as far as it can go, I think...

Hole to Feed
If Martin has 3 topics his songs tend to focus on, Dave may have only 2. In the same vein as PTA's "I Want It All" (and countless solo efforts such as "Dirty Sticky Floors"), Dave loves to talk about his addictive tendencies as often as he's allowed to, whether it be during interviews or in song. Though "IWIA" is much more self-centered, "Hole to Feed" attempts to at least somewhat look outward rather than being all about Dave again (lots of "we" references rather than "me"), as the "hole" (desire) always needs satiating regardless of what the addict attempts to feed it with. Kudos to Dave for at least putting a new spin on the tired topic, though I think the verses seem to have little to do with the chorus and that ultimately damages the theme Dave seemed to be going for.

Wrong
To me, this song is a throwback lyrically to the Ultra era, where Martin's main obsession was with fate, destiny, and the cruel nature of life as seen through that kind of prism. Directly, I get a strong "Barrel of a Gun" vibe (which is awesome) from "Wrong", as both songs deal with the frustration of feeling that the world is against you, you can never do right, that luck or fate is set upon keeping you down. "Barrel of a Gun" seems to focus more on Martin's feeling of never living up to expectations ("whatever you've planned for me / I'm not the one"), whereas "Wrong" takes a more cosmic view of always being wrong no matter what the decision ("I was in the wrong place / At the wrong time"). Either way, both seem to be explorations of the same general theme of Martin fighting his apparent fate.

Fragile Tension

This one struck me instantly as a cross between "I Am You" and  "Damaged People"... kind of the "we're fucked up people that somehow found each other but we don't understand how or why" genre. Rather than go tit-for-tat line by line from each song, just a quick listing of similar lines draws the parallels well enough:
(FT: "There's a strange obsession / That's drawing us nearer / We don't understand it / It never gets clearer")
(DP: "We're damaged people / Drawn together / By subtleties that we are not aware of")
(IAY: "Strange compulsions that I can't control", "Dark obsession in the name of love")
More concretely, I would say that "Fragile Tension" is a more realistic, mature approach to the topic of love/relationships than the fatalistic devotion of IAY (perhaps a realization that came via divorce). When IAY talks about being destined to be together ("No excuses to give / I'm the one you're with / We've no alternative"), FT counters with "It may not last forever / But oh, when it's flowing". Because of that difference, though it's the same general subject matter, I definitely think FT stands well on its own and represents a new spin on the theme.

Little Soul

Really hard to find a precedent or comparison for this little song...! That's great. About all I could think of was that it carries the mysticism of "Macro" or "When the Body Speaks" with the arrogance of "Judas", though it has a distinct tongue-in-cheek element that sets it apart. A very interesting piece about a seemingly insignificant human life leaving a legacy...

In Sympathy
As many have pointed out, this song seems to be an interesting spin on the old "A Question of Time" format - except in this case the subject (a woman - Mart's gf, ex, or daughter?) is more than prey - she's actually smarter than the guys falling all over her...and ends up alone in the end. Another song that draws favorable comparisons is "Little 15", as a world-wise (and frustrated) woman may just be the object of affection there too. On another level, "Sister of Night" is in the same ballpark, except the woman subject in that piece seems to long for the attention rather than deflect it.

Peace
Naturally, the first logical comparison is to album-mate "Little Soul", as Martin has been saying that he wrote the two pieces back-to-back. They both have a strong mystical nature that can be interpreted as arrogant or tongue-in-cheek. Personally, I feel that Martin writes intentionally in a way that leaves ambiguity... so it can and is either way you want to think it is. However, with such earnest lines as "Giving all the positivity that I possess", I think it leans to the sincere side rather than the comical.

Come Back
Dave has a less extensive back catalogue, so you have to look at his solo work... and I'll confess I'm no expert on DG solo stuff. The parallel that I noticed is that "Come Back" has the simplistic longing nature of "Stay", in that it pines for closeness with a loved one. Not really anything deeper than that, is there?

Perfect
Another idea that I strained to find an existing history for...this longing for things to be different. Certain lines seem personal ("
In another lonely universe / We're laying side by side"), and then another line will seem universal ("There are never any conflicts / There are never any fights"). The closest I can compare is Martin's distant past, including such universal odes to a better world like "People Are People" and "And Then...". Also, "Policy of Truth"'s hindsight and knowledge ("Things could be so different now / It used to be so civilised / You will always wonder how / It could have been if you'd only lied") have a parallel in "Perfect" ("And everything could have been perfect / Everything in the right place"). Again, Martin finding a new spin for some old topics.

Miles Away / The Truth Is
Sigh. This is a scattershot piece that has no clear vision lyrically... the chorus is about someone not really being "there", being "miles away" mentally while still being there physically ("withdrawn but alive"). So, one is apt to think Dave is talking about someone he's close to, feeling distant from someone he wants a relationship with...then he tosses in lines such as "Excuse me for my hestitation, I've met you before / Your face seems so familiar..." and leaves the listener thinking "WTF?". Anyway, the song reminds me of "Suffer Well" in that regard ("Something's changed and it's in your eyes / Please don't speak you'll only lie").

Jezebel
Along with Wrong, my favorite off the album... But anyway... There's some strong comparisons to past work here.... the dangerous woman running amok, but Martin allowing her to and desiring that aspect of her... not wanting her to change her games. In that, I see "The Darkest Star" here ("I don't want you to change anything you do / I don't want you to be someone else for me"). As well, with the feminine subject seeming to intentionally draw attention ("They call you Jezebel, for what you like to wear") is reminiscent of "Sister of Night" ("Sister of night / In your saddest dress / As you walk through the light / You're desperate to impress"). Finally, the power games that Jezebel uses call to mind "Blue Dress" and "Lilian".

Corrupt
Another arrogant tune, in the mold of "The Dead of Night" (though executed much better), featuring the sexuality of "World in My Eyes" (and the hips/lips rhyme from "Happiest Girl"). From TDON: "When delirious fun has seriously begun / You'll be down on your knees / You'll be begging us please") vs. Corrupt's "You'd be calling out my name". Is the sexual confidence in the song perhaps aimed at overzealous groupies? Плезене Interestingly too, this could be a twist on "Lilian" with Mart writing as Lilian from a male perspective... this time the guy that plays games and breaks hearts.


Overall, while comparisons can be drawn to prior work, I personally don't feel it detracts much (if at all) from SotU as a fresh piece of work. Though familiar DM and Martin themes run throughout, there's enough spin and differing perspectives to hold the interest of us diehard fans who know the entire catalogue by heart! That's a pretty special feat for a band 29 years on...
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Отговори #107: 10 Април 2009

Уау, много интересно мнение.  Одобрение
И аз си мислех подобни сравнения за песните на Мартин, но предполагам те не са толкова трудни да се направят като се има впредвид колко много песни е написал Мартин.
Е за сравненията на песните на Дейв не съм съгласна много с човека, но ясно се вижда, че той не е голям фен на творчеството на Дейв и не се е задълбочил много в него.

Само за песните In Sympathy и Perfect бих добавила моите разсъждения:
Според мен в In Sympathy Мартин пише за собственото си преживяване и чувста по време на социални събирания с хора. Бих я сравнила с The Dead of Night. Но докато в The Dead of Night, гледната точка на Мартин е на човек отдал се на греха и удоволствията на опиятите и в синхрон с тълпата, в In Sympathy той гледа отстрани като единсвения  трезв човек, който вече е способен да види абсурда и лицемерието на заобикалящите го.
Е не знам до колко е точно моето предположение но предполагам,че на всеки се е случвало да отиде на купон и да остане трезв, по определени причини, и да види същата обстановка, която е била преди за него много забавна, през съвсем различен поглед.

За Perfect бих казала, че освен темата за световен мир и разбирателство, което може да съществува само в друга паралелна вселена, се прокрадва и много лично съжаление за това как някои неща от живота му са протекли без той да има шанс да се защити. Така, че това парче не бих могла да го сравня с никоя стара негова тема.


'Down on the ground I'm bound till the morning light'
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Отговори #108: 10 Април 2009

ето тук  албума може да се слуша албума с по добро качество от  това което изтече Усмивка
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Отговори #109: 10 Април 2009

ето тук  албума може да се слуша албума с по добро качество от  това което изтече Усмивка
Офф т'ва е друго нещо Усмивка, само дето Come Back звучи като по-дългата версия, дето е над 5 минути, не искам тя да се окаже оригинала.. Плезене

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= xciting      
P recious      
= njoyable          M artyrizing
C ondemnable     O verwhelming
H eartening         D reamy
= legantly           = verlasting

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Отговори #110: 12 Април 2009

Току що попаднах на един вариант на албума, в който интересното е, че съществува едно скромно инструменталче под №14 със заглавие Outro, което е с дължина около 42 секунди и съдържа фрагменти от Wrong.  Объркан
В официалната информация за албума не се сещам да е обявена подобна композицийка. Някой чувал ли е нещо подобно?
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Отговори #111: 12 Април 2009

Току що попаднах на един вариант на албума, в който интересното е, че съществува едно скромно инструменталче под №14 със заглавие Outro, което е с дължина около 42 секунди и съдържа фрагменти от Wrong.  Объркан
В официалната информация за албума не се сещам да е обявена подобна композицийка. Някой чувал ли е нещо подобно?

Да, и аз го чух това, супер е. Напомня ми за инструментала Мission Impossible от Music For The Masses.

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Отговори #112: 13 Април 2009

 

             Да , и аз го слушах , на мен това инструменталче ми го пратиха онзи ден.Много ми хареса , наистина е много добро , но интересното е дали ще попадне някъде като бонус песен или няма да се появи никъде официално.
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Отговори #113: 13 Април 2009

             Да , и аз го слушах , на мен това инструменталче ми го пратиха онзи ден.Много ми хареса , наистина е много добро , но интересното е дали ще попадне някъде като бонус песен или няма да се появи никъде официално.

Ще е hidden track след "Corrupt", подобно на "Insight" и "Junior Painkiller". Но все още не е обявено как ще се казва, в Уикипедия са споменати заглавията "Wrong" (reprise) и "Interlude #5", но не пречи това да са просто догадки.
Последна редакция: 13 Април 2009 от The Fein

Each tear that flows down your face
Trickles then picks up the pace
And turns to a river inside
A river that will not subside

I can hear that dreadful overflowing sound
And watching from afar I see a child is drowned
The child inside your heart

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Отговори #114: 13 Април 2009

Sound of the universe box set video presentation;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mevq8-0tIe8&feature=channel
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Отговори #115: 14 Април 2009

Fan Universe
http://www.depechemodeuniverse.com/dm/
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Отговори #116: 14 Април 2009

Sound of the universe box set video presentation;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mevq8-0tIe8&feature=channel
Точно 3 сек след първата минута се чува малка част от евентуален ремикс към "Perfect", ммм.. Може би ще бъде сингъл? Ангелче

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Depeche will come to us,
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= xciting      
P recious      
= njoyable          M artyrizing
C ondemnable     O verwhelming
H eartening         D reamy
= legantly           = verlasting

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Отговори #117: 15 Април 2009

Нещо неочаквано: Дейв и Брендън Флауърс (The Killers) в интервю за BlackBookУсмивка

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...BF: They say that making your own music can be the closest thing to a religious experience. When I do go to church, the hymns are what always suck me in. I can be having a day of doubt, but as soon as I hear the right gospel song, it’s over. There’s no more doubt.

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...DG:The three subjects that you mentioned and that Depeche Mode write about are the keys to wanting to be a part of something, and wanting to be able to be intimate, and ultimately having some sense of peace within yourself. For me, I can’t get that from somebody or something else. You have to feel it within, that there’s something that the universe is offering; but we often seem unable to grasp it.



Each tear that flows down your face
Trickles then picks up the pace
And turns to a river inside
A river that will not subside

I can hear that dreadful overflowing sound
And watching from afar I see a child is drowned
The child inside your heart

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Отговори #118: 16 Април 2009

кликнете на delux edition да чуете вски4ко Одобрение

peace i corrupt  в изпълнение на мартин са много яки Ухилен

 и още нещо интересно:) here Одобрение
Последна редакция: 16 Април 2009 от deiv4o
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Отговори #119: 16 Април 2009

кликнете на delux edition да чуете вски4ко Одобрение

peace i corrupt  в изпълнение на мартин са много яки Ухилен

Благодаря много за линка.
-демотата са доста интересни.
-Ghost звучи по-мудно отколкото очаквах, но пък Light(поне от тези 30 сек) ми допада на първо време.
-Esque, според мен, щеше да се впише по-добре в албума от Spacewalker...може би.
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